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	<title>Comments on: Pew goes MacArthur on us</title>
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		<title>By: libby</title>
		<link>http://www.theartblog.org/2009/11/pew-goes-macarthur-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-13539</link>
		<dc:creator>libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every few weeks we say, hmmmnm, we haven&#039;t heard from Pew. tick tock tick tock.</description>
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		<title>By: roberta</title>
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		<dc:creator>roberta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  I&#039;ve been waiting too but haven&#039;t heard a thing yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  I&#8217;ve been waiting too but haven&#8217;t heard a thing yet.</p>
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		<title>By: T.S.H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.S.H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the winners are....
thought this was to be announced in September 2010? Today is 9/30/10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the winners are&#8230;.<br />
thought this was to be announced in September 2010? Today is 9/30/10.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Romaniello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Romaniello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been watching the back and forth on this and I have to say that I find it hard to believe that no one knows how to conduct a fair competition. 

If you use judges from out of town from the start, who see every entry, then you do away with 90% of the problems discussed here. 

Of course the choice of judges will favor a certain aesthetic. But if there are more than one judge that could be dealt with too.  The more diversity on a panel the less likelihood of it being skewed in one direction. 

You can have a cut off point for entries based on the amount that can be handled by the administrators and the budget. First come, first serve maybe?

It has to be blind, no visible indication of who the artist is, no resumes etc.

Every kid over the age of 6 can use a videocam today so there&#039;s no reason that these things can&#039;t be taped. I offer to tape any local competition FREE of charge as long as the artists get to see the final tape. This would serve as proof of a fair competition and could be educational on many levels. Some people have already started to do this.

I&#039;ve been a judge too and have been around during the judging of shows and have seen some pretty bad things. I&#039;ve heard some nightmare stories from others too. I&#039;m glad to hear that some have had only good experiences but I would rather see a better system in place to be sure. 

Each case is different but if being fair is the goal it can easily be accomplished. Be creative, you&#039;re artists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been watching the back and forth on this and I have to say that I find it hard to believe that no one knows how to conduct a fair competition. </p>
<p>If you use judges from out of town from the start, who see every entry, then you do away with 90% of the problems discussed here. </p>
<p>Of course the choice of judges will favor a certain aesthetic. But if there are more than one judge that could be dealt with too.  The more diversity on a panel the less likelihood of it being skewed in one direction. </p>
<p>You can have a cut off point for entries based on the amount that can be handled by the administrators and the budget. First come, first serve maybe?</p>
<p>It has to be blind, no visible indication of who the artist is, no resumes etc.</p>
<p>Every kid over the age of 6 can use a videocam today so there&#8217;s no reason that these things can&#8217;t be taped. I offer to tape any local competition FREE of charge as long as the artists get to see the final tape. This would serve as proof of a fair competition and could be educational on many levels. Some people have already started to do this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a judge too and have been around during the judging of shows and have seen some pretty bad things. I&#8217;ve heard some nightmare stories from others too. I&#8217;m glad to hear that some have had only good experiences but I would rather see a better system in place to be sure. </p>
<p>Each case is different but if being fair is the goal it can easily be accomplished. Be creative, you&#8217;re artists!</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Schaechter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Schaechter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse--
I had a pretty silly experience where someone  felt the need to really ingratiate themselves endlessly with me and act as though we were best buds because they got a grant.  In actuality I had abstained from that person&#039;s discussion as I personally vehemently disliked them to the point that I wasn&#039;t sure how objective I could be.  That was a specific incident I was recalling when I wrote that.  I don&#039;t think its happened any other time,  though.

I *was* agreeing the nominators and jurors names should be public.  But its like having a target drawn on your chest, sometimes.  Everyone hates you.  Many suspect you are a nepotistic, lazy sleaze bag with an agenda. Except the winners.  Its not worth the $ (or the time) they pay you so you do all that as somewhat of a service for something you believe in.  No good  deed goes unpunished.

Your comments about the knowledge of the jury are most accurate.  A double edged sword.  FYI--I am just about to jury something wherein I know close to half the applicants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse&#8211;<br />
I had a pretty silly experience where someone  felt the need to really ingratiate themselves endlessly with me and act as though we were best buds because they got a grant.  In actuality I had abstained from that person&#8217;s discussion as I personally vehemently disliked them to the point that I wasn&#8217;t sure how objective I could be.  That was a specific incident I was recalling when I wrote that.  I don&#8217;t think its happened any other time,  though.</p>
<p>I *was* agreeing the nominators and jurors names should be public.  But its like having a target drawn on your chest, sometimes.  Everyone hates you.  Many suspect you are a nepotistic, lazy sleaze bag with an agenda. Except the winners.  Its not worth the $ (or the time) they pay you so you do all that as somewhat of a service for something you believe in.  No good  deed goes unpunished.</p>
<p>Your comments about the knowledge of the jury are most accurate.  A double edged sword.  FYI&#8211;I am just about to jury something wherein I know close to half the applicants.</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also–I find it repellent to be schmoozed by some desperate character if they know I’m on a panel (or were). FYI–I never was on a jury that seemed to act with a c/overt agenda to promote their friends or certain groups. If that happened at all, it was subconsciously done. They always seemed to be trying very hard to be very fair. That was my experience anyway.&quot;

well - my point was that the jury could be made public *after* the process.  i&#039;m not certain what purpose attempted retroactive schmoozing would serve, or why anyone would do it.  

i&#039;m not saying that people would necessarily consciously act to help their friends, but that their fields of knowledge are necessarily, and that will be reflected (versus an open call that might bring in heretofore unknown work).  as larry david says, it&#039;s a commission-omission thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also–I find it repellent to be schmoozed by some desperate character if they know I’m on a panel (or were). FYI–I never was on a jury that seemed to act with a c/overt agenda to promote their friends or certain groups. If that happened at all, it was subconsciously done. They always seemed to be trying very hard to be very fair. That was my experience anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>well &#8211; my point was that the jury could be made public *after* the process.  i&#8217;m not certain what purpose attempted retroactive schmoozing would serve, or why anyone would do it.  </p>
<p>i&#8217;m not saying that people would necessarily consciously act to help their friends, but that their fields of knowledge are necessarily, and that will be reflected (versus an open call that might bring in heretofore unknown work).  as larry david says, it&#8217;s a commission-omission thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Manteau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Manteau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that these folks over at the Pew, realize that I&#039;m the illegitimate love child of the Dufala Brothers and Ryan Trecartin. Then maybe.......

 Just stop giving a shit. Make what you make!! 

Oh....my hometown...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

JM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that these folks over at the Pew, realize that I&#8217;m the illegitimate love child of the Dufala Brothers and Ryan Trecartin. Then maybe&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p> Just stop giving a shit. Make what you make!! </p>
<p>Oh&#8230;.my hometown&#8230;zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&#8230;.</p>
<p>JM</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Schaechter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Schaechter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve juried LOTS of things at this point. I&#039;m not crazy about my name being released.  I once juried a friend OUT of something and never heard the end of it. But hey--I was trying to be FAIR!

Also--I find it repellent to be schmoozed by some desperate character if they know I&#039;m on a panel (or were).  FYI--I never was on a jury that seemed to act with a c/overt agenda to promote their friends or certain groups.  If that happened at all, it was subconsciously done. They always seemed to be trying very hard to be very fair.  That was my experience anyway.

But its probably best to release the names.  I do agree with that.  I&#039;m just sayin&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve juried LOTS of things at this point. I&#8217;m not crazy about my name being released.  I once juried a friend OUT of something and never heard the end of it. But hey&#8211;I was trying to be FAIR!</p>
<p>Also&#8211;I find it repellent to be schmoozed by some desperate character if they know I&#8217;m on a panel (or were).  FYI&#8211;I never was on a jury that seemed to act with a c/overt agenda to promote their friends or certain groups.  If that happened at all, it was subconsciously done. They always seemed to be trying very hard to be very fair.  That was my experience anyway.</p>
<p>But its probably best to release the names.  I do agree with that.  I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there can&#039;t be any quid pro quo if the names are released *after* the process is done.  the pew FAQ is a bit ambiguous on this point, but it seems that the names of the nominators will never be released.  if they really want to &quot;ensure transparency and integrity,&quot; i don&#039;t see the harm of letting people look at who nominated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there can&#8217;t be any quid pro quo if the names are released *after* the process is done.  the pew FAQ is a bit ambiguous on this point, but it seems that the names of the nominators will never be released.  if they really want to &#8220;ensure transparency and integrity,&#8221; i don&#8217;t see the harm of letting people look at who nominated.</p>
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		<title>By: roberta</title>
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		<dc:creator>roberta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid, you would be a prime candidate for a local nominator, I&#039;d think.  And your range of knowledge would bring depth and breadth to who would get nominated...people like Rudy Stafel, eg.  Judith I believe Melissa said the nominators would change every year which is good.  And I do think they should make those names public.  Quid pro quo will happen regardless of names being kept secret.  I do think there is the potential for incestuous issues in any prize involving money.  I don&#039;t think you can get around it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sid, you would be a prime candidate for a local nominator, I&#8217;d think.  And your range of knowledge would bring depth and breadth to who would get nominated&#8230;people like Rudy Stafel, eg.  Judith I believe Melissa said the nominators would change every year which is good.  And I do think they should make those names public.  Quid pro quo will happen regardless of names being kept secret.  I do think there is the potential for incestuous issues in any prize involving money.  I don&#8217;t think you can get around it.</p>
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